I didn't like that in 0.0.10 even if you choose all the NTS options the story is still very NTR focused, what's the point in giving me those options if they barley affect the story. Being fed NTR while expecting NTS is one of the worst feelings for me. I do understand that the main focus of the game is NTR and most players are here for that but as someone whos more into NTS i feel done dirty by that bar.
Other than that I love the game it has my favorite art style and side kinks from all the NTR games I've played
Finished the 0.0.10! Tho I need to that was a really big cliffhanger at the end. Can't wait for the next version! Does anyone have an estimate on when it comes out? 🤔
I also like the Blond haired girl (Was her name Veronica?) Please add more Scenes with the Other Girls 🙏
Ok... first off, this is one of if not the best NTR story Ive ever seen. The way it has development and that it is slow burn is actually what makes it interesting. Out of all the NTR stories and games (Phone) which most of them have either the girl immediately succumbing or the guy is a literal cuck wanting her gf to fuck at the beginning, this is so unique I disgust myself for liking it. The fact that their love was so pure and her slowly succumbing to depravity is just *chefs kiss*.
P.S: I'm interested if you have other social media other than patreon because I don't have any PayPal account and credit/debit card to get membership:<
I meant to release 0.0.9 a little while ago but then all the itch.io censorship happened... as soon as my game is uncensored/un-delisted I will release 0.0.9 on here
that shit is sad as hell, please can we have a route where we save our girl and she continues cute? they can be happy forever and he can get a robot cock, or just use her toys or even a magic pill to make his cock grow
Honestly, after finishing what the game has to offer so far, I was left with a feeling of powerlessness as a player. I understand the focus on the NTR, but it seemed to me that the protagonist has virtually no influence on what happens, and that frustrated me more than I thought.
What got me thinking is this: if Elise and her friends can influence Vanilla so much that she completely changes her way of thinking... why can't the player influence her in the opposite direction? I'm not suggesting removing the NTR or changing the tone of the game, but at least in the introduction or early decisions, if played firmly or with common sense, it has real consequences for the story.
It would be great if there were an option where the protagonist (or we, as players) could give Vanilla more serious advice, set limits, or speak more clearly, so that she would at least hesitate or change her position on what Elise is proposing. Something like: "Hey, don't spend so much money on your friends," "Be careful with those kinds of ideas," "Not everything they tell you is good just because it sounds trendy."
It doesn't have to be a completely pure or happy path; it may even have its tense moments, but at least we know that if we play it a certain way, we won't always follow the same path. There should be a small fork where we don't fall completely, or at least a possibility of redemption later on.
Something that also puzzled me a bit is that the protagonist never seems bothered, not even when she sees clearly weird or uncomfortable things (like the suspicious photos with a guy on the beach touching her butt or thigh, even though we know what really happened from her POV. Also, the photos Elise sends us where the protagonist doesn't confront or say anything to Vanilla and accepts any vague or evasive explanation. The last photo where she seems to wake up without underwear, hugging the guy after what happened at the bar, did seem somewhat infuriating to me, as if her boyfriend wouldn't get really mad at her or something, or demand more explanations). The fact that she can't say anything or doesn't take it seriously made me feel like the game doesn't allow us to react in a human way.
I hope future versions explore that. I know creating new routes takes a lot of work, but even with key decisions in the introduction or an alternate version of events before she returns from vacation, I could already tell a different story.
And if the NTR option remains the primary one, great, but there should at least be a logical path that allows the player to prevent things from getting out of hand, confront Elise, or make Vanilla question what she's doing more seriously. That would give it a much greater emotional impact, greater immersion, and, ultimately, greater replayability.
Thanks anyway for everything you're creating; the effort and vision for these kinds of stories are evident. Just wanted to share this as a player who's been mulling over this topic, haha.
Unfortunately that's one of the sacrifices I've had to make to support such a long story. Of course, ideally you would be able to notice x thing as a player and mention it (for example, the blurred out pictures of Vanilla in the background of a few of Katrina's posts) - but that kind of thing very quickly devolves into unmanageable route spaghetti :<
For a shorter, non-linear game it would be easier where the gameplay is to go back and try different routes and everything but that's just not what this game is and to try manage branching paths and meaningful choices would complicate development too much for me. I'm only 1 person and I'm not even a writer >x<
Hello again, thank you so much for taking the time to respond and explain the approach you're taking. I want to be very clear that I'm not demanding anything from you at all; I'm just sharing thoughts as a player who's genuinely enjoying and reflecting on your work.
I fully understand that managing multiple meaningful paths can become chaotic, especially if you're working alone. I know how difficult it must be to maintain a long, coherent narrative without it becoming unmanageable. For that reason, I greatly appreciate what you're doing and I'm sure the community that follows you is willing to wait as long as it takes. Most of us, including myself, prefer quality over quantity, and that shows in your work.
That said, what I'm proposing isn't a long parallel path or anything that would further complicate development. It's just a small option, even if it happens early on, that allows for a "good ending" for Vanilla, one that feels logical and satisfying for players who aren't interested in following the NTR/NTS path. For example: a choice that prevents him from getting involved with Elise from the start, that keeps his relationship with his boyfriend stable, that allows him to finish his studies normally, visit him on vacation, and in the end, the two continue working together, expand their bakery, and even start a family.
It could end with a sweet image of them together, now as older adults, showing that their story continued on the right path: perhaps with Vanilla pregnant, or with both of them holding their baby in a family photo, and the game simply ends there. A brief but meaningful conclusion, without lengthening the main story or branching it out too much.
I've seen this kind of solution in other visual novels: an optional "good route" that basically cuts the story short from the first chapter if you avoid entering the NTR conflict. You make it clear to the player that "the game ends here if they choose that path," but it still feels rewarding because it offers a different emotional conclusion. Then, if the player wants to follow the longer, more complex path (the NTR/NTS one), they can do so at will.
As you say, it might not be something to consider right now, but I hope it's possible to think of it as an extra or epilogue when you finish what you have planned. Not only would it provide a sense of closure for those looking for a different kind of ending, but it would also make the game feel more complete and offer greater replayability.
Anyway, I still think what you've proposed so far is very good. The story provokes emotions, gives food for thought, and it's clear you're putting your heart and soul into it. Thank you so much for your work and for being open to feedback. If you do another project in the future where these kinds of ideas fit better, I'll also gladly follow it.
Ohhhhh yes I've mentioned this before but it was a long time ago and on other platforms - but I intend to go back at some point and add both good and bad ending routes to the game!
Just downloaded this again and want to start from scratch. Started playing from the beginning and thought I was overwriting the saves that the new download had imported from the previous time I played it. It turns out that I wasn't overwriting them at all.
The delete button doesn't seem to work, the save button doesn't work to overwrite old saves (although I can rename them) but the load button does work. It's just that's it loads the saves from my previous playthough ... and I can't see anyway to do a 'restore to factory settings', as it were.
Confused @-@ - when you click save (and then confirm to overwrite the save) is it not updating the date/word count? Means that for some reason the game doesn't have access to save those files so I assume you're playing on phone and it's some kind of file permission issue
Also for the delete button you have to hold it down
Playing on my laptop. Ok. I'm going to try again. I honestly can't remember whether I hit the 'confirm' button or not. I've assumed that I did but ... I'll have another go. Thanks.
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I didn't like that in 0.0.10 even if you choose all the NTS options the story is still very NTR focused, what's the point in giving me those options if they barley affect the story. Being fed NTR while expecting NTS is one of the worst feelings for me. I do understand that the main focus of the game is NTR and most players are here for that but as someone whos more into NTS i feel done dirty by that bar.
Other than that I love the game it has my favorite art style and side kinks from all the NTR games I've played
Finished the 0.0.10! Tho I need to that was a really big cliffhanger at the end. Can't wait for the next version! Does anyone have an estimate on when it comes out? 🤔
I also like the Blond haired girl (Was her name Veronica?) Please add more Scenes with the Other Girls 🙏
Ok... first off, this is one of if not the best NTR story Ive ever seen. The way it has development and that it is slow burn is actually what makes it interesting. Out of all the NTR stories and games (Phone) which most of them have either the girl immediately succumbing or the guy is a literal cuck wanting her gf to fuck at the beginning, this is so unique I disgust myself for liking it. The fact that their love was so pure and her slowly succumbing to depravity is just *chefs kiss*.
P.S: I'm interested if you have other social media other than patreon because I don't have any PayPal account and credit/debit card to get membership:<
Is the next version gonna hit Patreon soon?
When can we expect another update, boss?
I meant to release 0.0.9 a little while ago but then all the itch.io censorship happened... as soon as my game is uncensored/un-delisted I will release 0.0.9 on here
Soooooooooon
I was on holiday for a while and was sick after I came back - and this update is quiiiite big
Aight, good to know you're alive
You could release the 0.0.9 on patreon as a post for everybody
that shit is sad as hell, please can we have a route where we save our girl and she continues cute? they can be happy forever and he can get a robot cock, or just use her toys or even a magic pill to make his cock grow
In a future, short good-ending route, yes... but this is an NTR game
Good point, even tho i also wanted this guys idea
When is the next update
Honestly, after finishing what the game has to offer so far, I was left with a feeling of powerlessness as a player. I understand the focus on the NTR, but it seemed to me that the protagonist has virtually no influence on what happens, and that frustrated me more than I thought.
What got me thinking is this: if Elise and her friends can influence Vanilla so much that she completely changes her way of thinking... why can't the player influence her in the opposite direction? I'm not suggesting removing the NTR or changing the tone of the game, but at least in the introduction or early decisions, if played firmly or with common sense, it has real consequences for the story.
It would be great if there were an option where the protagonist (or we, as players) could give Vanilla more serious advice, set limits, or speak more clearly, so that she would at least hesitate or change her position on what Elise is proposing. Something like: "Hey, don't spend so much money on your friends," "Be careful with those kinds of ideas," "Not everything they tell you is good just because it sounds trendy."
It doesn't have to be a completely pure or happy path; it may even have its tense moments, but at least we know that if we play it a certain way, we won't always follow the same path. There should be a small fork where we don't fall completely, or at least a possibility of redemption later on.
Something that also puzzled me a bit is that the protagonist never seems bothered, not even when she sees clearly weird or uncomfortable things (like the suspicious photos with a guy on the beach touching her butt or thigh, even though we know what really happened from her POV. Also, the photos Elise sends us where the protagonist doesn't confront or say anything to Vanilla and accepts any vague or evasive explanation. The last photo where she seems to wake up without underwear, hugging the guy after what happened at the bar, did seem somewhat infuriating to me, as if her boyfriend wouldn't get really mad at her or something, or demand more explanations). The fact that she can't say anything or doesn't take it seriously made me feel like the game doesn't allow us to react in a human way.
I hope future versions explore that. I know creating new routes takes a lot of work, but even with key decisions in the introduction or an alternate version of events before she returns from vacation, I could already tell a different story.
And if the NTR option remains the primary one, great, but there should at least be a logical path that allows the player to prevent things from getting out of hand, confront Elise, or make Vanilla question what she's doing more seriously. That would give it a much greater emotional impact, greater immersion, and, ultimately, greater replayability.
Thanks anyway for everything you're creating; the effort and vision for these kinds of stories are evident. Just wanted to share this as a player who's been mulling over this topic, haha.
Unfortunately that's one of the sacrifices I've had to make to support such a long story. Of course, ideally you would be able to notice x thing as a player and mention it (for example, the blurred out pictures of Vanilla in the background of a few of Katrina's posts) - but that kind of thing very quickly devolves into unmanageable route spaghetti :<
For a shorter, non-linear game it would be easier where the gameplay is to go back and try different routes and everything but that's just not what this game is and to try manage branching paths and meaningful choices would complicate development too much for me. I'm only 1 person and I'm not even a writer >x<
Hello again, thank you so much for taking the time to respond and explain the approach you're taking. I want to be very clear that I'm not demanding anything from you at all; I'm just sharing thoughts as a player who's genuinely enjoying and reflecting on your work.
I fully understand that managing multiple meaningful paths can become chaotic, especially if you're working alone. I know how difficult it must be to maintain a long, coherent narrative without it becoming unmanageable. For that reason, I greatly appreciate what you're doing and I'm sure the community that follows you is willing to wait as long as it takes. Most of us, including myself, prefer quality over quantity, and that shows in your work.
That said, what I'm proposing isn't a long parallel path or anything that would further complicate development. It's just a small option, even if it happens early on, that allows for a "good ending" for Vanilla, one that feels logical and satisfying for players who aren't interested in following the NTR/NTS path. For example: a choice that prevents him from getting involved with Elise from the start, that keeps his relationship with his boyfriend stable, that allows him to finish his studies normally, visit him on vacation, and in the end, the two continue working together, expand their bakery, and even start a family.
It could end with a sweet image of them together, now as older adults, showing that their story continued on the right path: perhaps with Vanilla pregnant, or with both of them holding their baby in a family photo, and the game simply ends there. A brief but meaningful conclusion, without lengthening the main story or branching it out too much.
I've seen this kind of solution in other visual novels: an optional "good route" that basically cuts the story short from the first chapter if you avoid entering the NTR conflict. You make it clear to the player that "the game ends here if they choose that path," but it still feels rewarding because it offers a different emotional conclusion. Then, if the player wants to follow the longer, more complex path (the NTR/NTS one), they can do so at will.
As you say, it might not be something to consider right now, but I hope it's possible to think of it as an extra or epilogue when you finish what you have planned. Not only would it provide a sense of closure for those looking for a different kind of ending, but it would also make the game feel more complete and offer greater replayability.
Anyway, I still think what you've proposed so far is very good. The story provokes emotions, gives food for thought, and it's clear you're putting your heart and soul into it. Thank you so much for your work and for being open to feedback. If you do another project in the future where these kinds of ideas fit better, I'll also gladly follow it.
Good luck and much success with what's next! :D
Ohhhhh yes I've mentioned this before but it was a long time ago and on other platforms - but I intend to go back at some point and add both good and bad ending routes to the game!
Just downloaded this again and want to start from scratch. Started playing from the beginning and thought I was overwriting the saves that the new download had imported from the previous time I played it. It turns out that I wasn't overwriting them at all.
The delete button doesn't seem to work, the save button doesn't work to overwrite old saves (although I can rename them) but the load button does work. It's just that's it loads the saves from my previous playthough ... and I can't see anyway to do a 'restore to factory settings', as it were.
Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi ...
Confused @-@ - when you click save (and then confirm to overwrite the save) is it not updating the date/word count? Means that for some reason the game doesn't have access to save those files so I assume you're playing on phone and it's some kind of file permission issue
Also for the delete button you have to hold it down
Playing on my laptop. Ok. I'm going to try again. I honestly can't remember whether I hit the 'confirm' button or not. I've assumed that I did but ... I'll have another go. Thanks.
Delete button. Sweet. Started from scratch again and saves are cool.
My anti-virus killed this before it even finished downloading. Some help?
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